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Shiniku
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 Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject: Qui Gon Jinn vs Ra's Al Ghul |
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Yes, a completely useless topic. I don't care.
But, it would be an interesting battle, don't you think? Both very skilled swordsmen..
Ra's is an immortal super genius and Qui Gon is a so-so Jedi knight. I think they're fairly evenly matched. And let's just pretend Ra's has whipped up something to make a sword somehow able to block a lightsaber.
I think it would be a tough battle... either that, or Gui Gon will immediately defeat Ra's. I'm sure Qui Gon has better abilities all in all, but then again he's the Worst Jedi ever.
So my vote goes to Ra's just because he's damn smart and has like 700 years of practice.
Qui Gon Jinn
Ra's Al Ghul
Both played by Liam Neeson, as well... |
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| he wasn't the worst jedi, obi-wan just got a lucky shot in on darth maul. maul was probably better than either of them. obi-wan was a notoriously weak jedi, but qui-gonn could have been on the council if he wasn't such a loose canon. plus, he's the one who developed the ghost-form technique and taught it to yoda and obi-wan. |
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Shiniku
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Okay he was a powerful Jedi - for his day, but he was a bit of a spaz as well. Sure he was better than Obi Wan then but 'ol Ben was still young and such. Qui Gon is probably better than most of the council, just not the main ones like Mace and Yoda, etc..
Most Jedi we see they show us the cool things they do, not the failures and idiocies. I'm sure if we saw things that happened before epi 1 I'd think QUi Gon was the man, but all we saw was him on an off week.. |
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matt!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah that's fair. |
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I've felt like commenting on this thread for a while now, only the chances that I come off sounding old, and lame are waaay up there, but here goes.
I hated how weak the latter trilogy made Obi-Wan look. For the most formative years of my jedi-ness, Kenobi was THE baddest-arse Jedi. Seriously, in the original trilogy, Luke (in my mind) never achieved his level, and all Yoda had done was rescue Luke's X-wing.
I understand the need to make Anakin superior to Obi-Wan, what with all the mitoclorian/hes-the-one, restore balance to the force stuff Darth Lucas decided to throw in there. Didn't really sync-in with the "when last we met you were the master, now I can kick your ass" line in "Star Wars," but meh... wha-cha-gonna-do.
Having said all that, I gotta point out that he pretty much earned the most bad-ass points, having defeated both Darth Maul, Darth Vader (he was already Vader at that point) and Gen. Grievous - and both ass kickings he suffered at the hands of Count Duku were necessary in order to focus attention on lil Anakin.
And - Sir Alec Guiness... best actor in all the movies by a lonnng shot. I'd argue that any-other-actor and the original movie would've been weakened, and the Jedi-mystique would've never taken off. The big question before "Empire" was whether or not he would be back - and the decision to not just have him be a voice in the air, that led to all that jedi-ghost stuff, was a no-brainer. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: |
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did you guys see this?
star wars CG movie and series
i say the 2D animation wasn't broken but this looks pretty cool too. supposedly there is also a live action series that focuses on minor characters in the pipeline as well. can't wait. |
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adreq
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| dammit... now I'll HAVE to get cable. |
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Shiniku
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: |
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It's spelled Dooku
Owned.
Err, anyway, yeah. Well, you gotta agree that the plot changes in the prequels are crap. I still like them, still fun movies and such, but the force being germs essentially is just going too far.
And on to Obi Wan being so badass... man, in that first star wars he goes the lamest way possible. I mean, it works for the plot and all, and seems all well and good when just seeing that, but if you see it after the prequels - yeesh. I mean, in epi III they flip around and jump and do daring things over lava, and here they decide to stand there and have the most boring fight ever.
And matt, didn't know about the CG but did know about the live action. But why are they doing the CG? The Clone Wars animated was good, everyone seems to really like it. Maybe lucas is just mad something got made that people like and wants to replace it. |
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| Shiniku wrote: | | ... the force being germs essentially is just going too far... |
i quite liked that... our mitochondria were once free living bacteria until we hijacked them, enslaved them and put them to work producing energy for our cells.
so the idea that some individuals had additional symbiotic animalcules or bacteria in their cells making them "special" appealed to me |
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Shiniku
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| But it also shits all over the spiritual aspect of the original trilogy, and makes it so not just anyone can do these things if they had the will to, but just the people with the germs. |
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| Shiniku wrote: | | and here they decide to stand there and have the most boring fight ever. |
Obi-wan was intent on being killed by Vader - he didn't go there to fight - owned.
"Most boring fight ever" - not in 1977 it wasn't. |
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| Shiniku wrote: | | But it also shits all over the spiritual aspect of the original trilogy, and makes it so not just anyone can do these things if they had the will to, but just the people with the germs. |
totally agree. |
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Shiniku
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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| AdreQ wrote: | | Shiniku wrote: | | and here they decide to stand there and have the most boring fight ever. |
Obi-wan was intent on being killed by Vader - he didn't go there to fight - owned.
"Most boring fight ever" - not in 1977 it wasn't. |
I'm well aware...
But I did mention it was fine, except when seen after the prequels. Then it seems a bit lack luster. I mean, obviously that's how it's gonna be when you do such a backwards prequel thing that was done when we have better technology, but still. |
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| AdreQ wrote: | | Shiniku wrote: | | But it also shits all over the spiritual aspect of the original trilogy, and makes it so not just anyone can do these things if they had the will to, but just the people with the germs. |
totally agree. |
i think i'll disagree
i don't know exactly what these midowhatsits are... they could be like mitochondria but they could be consistent with a soul -- we all have them but not everyone is "tuned in"
also just having a lot of them doesn't necessarily make you a jedi... you have to train and meditate and all sorts and align yourself with the cosmos (perhaps i made that last bit up)
... vader has an uber amount; therefore hes starts with the "potential" but as a total shithead cannot see the subtle side, no finesse, he just sees the power and allows it and his arrogance (i want to conquer death, i mean c'mon) to overcome him...
it's been a long time since i've seen these prequels and tbh i didn't think much of them so perhaps i should bow out of this now...
tea-time
BTW the jedi cloaks are berber goat herders cloaks. everyone in southern tunisia looks like a jedi. they are exactly the same heavy brown material with a hood... |
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